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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:28 pm

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Sange on Vengeful would be for tanking purposes--the STR actually gives more HP than Vanguard does but you trade the regen and damage reduction for a %maim. I'm pretty biased in favor of SnY, though--I think 10% maim is absolutely amazing.

i dont usually go vanguard or sange since they dont really help her support for me i just get mek/RoB (which the armor and mana are great) then get heart if i really need to survive..... in the beginning i go chicken+4 branches and tangoes+clarity
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:21 pm

You guys treat Vengeful way to much as a farmer, on the extreme rare occasion, she will solo mid, but that means your team has no strong solo (Zeus, Nevermore, Silencer).

She should be abusing her fast CD stun in as many ganks as she can. You can even trilane for first blood. She should be buying the wards and crow recipe, not staying in lane and farming. She can be really powerful if she gets your team lots of kills in early ganks. Bottom line: VS is a GANKING hero.


She is not a carry dont bother with sange and yasha it means you wont be buying wards to help your other lanes. it doesnt really matter if she gets underleveled either, she might feed a couple of kills that does not stop her from ganking all early game, and being useful in taking out initiators or what not in team fights with swap.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:59 pm

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You guys treat Vengeful way to much as a farmer, on the extreme rare occasion, she will solo mid, but that means your team has no strong solo (Zeus, Nevermore, Silencer).

She should be abusing her fast CD stun in as many ganks as she can. You can even trilane for first blood. She should be buying the wards and crow recipe, not staying in lane and farming. She can be really powerful if she gets your team lots of kills in early ganks. Bottom line: VS is a GANKING hero.


She is not a carry dont bother with sange and yasha it means you wont be buying wards to help your other lanes. it doesnt really matter if she gets underleveled either, she might feed a couple of kills that does not stop her from ganking all early game, and being useful in taking out initiators or what not in team fights with swap.

I think that arc was saying that getting the sange was simply for the str so she could tank... not for going sny and attempting to carry? in my opinion IF you can creep pull effectively you can jungle quite well too which allows another person to semi-solo and gives her a larger opportunity to gank (as in you go neut/creep pull then pop up)
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:06 pm

Dont use sange to tank or carry or w/e, its a bad item on venge that's all Im saying. Sange is about 2000 gold which could always be replaced by a few bracers, bottle, and tp scroll for pretty much the same effect. not to mention you can use your left over gold for 8 Minute wards or sooner.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:08 pm

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Dont use sange to tank or carry or w/e, its a bad item on venge that's all Im saying. Sange is about 2000 gold which could always be replaced by a few bracers, bottle, and tp scroll for pretty much the same effect. not to mention you can use your left over gold for 8 Minute wards or sooner.

well i dont use sange on vengeful so sure
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:24 pm

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Dont use sange to tank or carry or w/e, its a bad item on venge that's all Im saying. Sange is about 2000 gold which could always be replaced by a few bracers, bottle, and tp scroll for pretty much the same effect. not to mention you can use your left over gold for 8 Minute wards or sooner.
Sange is like 300g cheaper than Vanguard and it gives more life due to the strength bonus. Since it's cheaper and it gives more health, I was thinking about putting it into my build. I haven't tested it yet, but I might try it. I didn't mean to be so controversial Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:59 pm

lol
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:00 pm

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OuTDateD wrote:
Dont use sange to tank or carry or w/e, its a bad item on venge that's all Im saying. Sange is about 2000 gold which could always be replaced by a few bracers, bottle, and tp scroll for pretty much the same effect. not to mention you can use your left over gold for 8 Minute wards or sooner.
Sange is like 300g cheaper than Vanguard and it gives more life due to the strength bonus. Since it's cheaper and it gives more health, I was thinking about putting it into my build. I haven't tested it yet, but I might try it. I didn't mean to be so controversial Smile

Well reaver could also be considered since it costs 128 gold per strength and sange costs 128.125 gold per strength... although its really hard to farm up and vengeful isnt a great farmer. I would just stack stats then just ward... like what outdated said just get bracers
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:48 am

yeah exactly. Like the highest costing items that VS should ever be buying really would be Boots of Travel recipe if you have your other things and the map is well warded, and Diffusal blade recipe for infernals or omniknights.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:15 am

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yeah exactly. Like the highest costing items that VS should ever be buying really would be Boots of Travel recipe if you have your other things and the map is well warded, and Diffusal blade recipe for infernals or omniknights.
So you guys would play 4x bracers and boots and then just spend everything else on wards? This is an interesting one as well.
btw: 6.52 is out.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:30 am

The build I would use is.

Chicken, 3 Bracers, Bottle, Boots, Always 1 tp scroll, wards every 6 mins starting atleast at 8 mins.

There is a fine support build for her early and mid game. Excess gold can be put towards BoTs and Diffusal. You also should buy the sentry wards too for Kitty, tree, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:32 pm

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The build I would use is.

Chicken, 3 Bracers, Bottle, Boots, Always 1 tp scroll, wards every 6 mins starting atleast at 8 mins.

There is a fine support build for her early and mid game. Excess gold can be put towards BoTs and Diffusal. You also should buy the sentry wards too for Kitty, tree, etc.

I've also been using mek since it actually helps quite abit.... may not be the best choice since its really expensive...kinda
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:41 pm

I might try Mek instead of Vanguard...gives +100 hp from strength and +250 AOE heal.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:50 pm

hmm the new dota is interesting since the old one was really buggy I like the changes though...
BB got alittle nerf too yay and medusa and panda got some buffs so it seems ill try dusa alittle more
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:56 pm

arcthefinger. wrote:
I might try Mek instead of Vanguard...gives +100 hp from strength and +250 AOE heal.

also mek is more support orientated though it might effect her ganking...? diffusal might be an option like outdated said since it adds more agi now

3 bracers + mek 23 str, 14 agi and int, 5 armor (and the agi), hp regen and burst from the mek... although its only 437 +hp its pretty good and you can get +190 hp from powertreads if you get them... thats 5812 gold though for only 627 hp
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:58 pm

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arcthefinger. wrote:
I might try Mek instead of Vanguard...gives +100 hp from strength and +250 AOE heal.

also mek is more support orientated though it might effect her ganking...? diffusal might be an option like outdated said since it adds more agi now

3 bracers + mek 23 str, 14 agi and int, 5 armor (and the agi), hp regen and burst from the mek... although its only 437 +hp its pretty good and you can get +190 hp from powertreads if you get them... thats 5812 gold though for only 627 hp
yup, plus the early stats, which can make a big difference. i typically do get str treads, but after my bracers/vanguard. i probably should do bot's though. i dont die often enough to require small parts for my recipe.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:25 pm

whenever I get VS i get treads, 2 wraith bans, desolator, mkb, bfly. As you can see not much hp. I try getting some hp if the game isnt over by then. I was thinking that getting a lothars with VS wouldnt not be a bad idea at all, cuz u can swap and the wind walk so you dont get killed.

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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:36 pm

haha yea reno
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:43 pm

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whenever I get VS i get treads, 2 wraith bans, desolator, mkb, bfly. As you can see not much hp. I try getting some hp if the game isnt over by then. I was thinking that getting a lothars with VS wouldnt not be a bad idea at all, cuz u can swap and the wind walk so you dont get killed.

Geez you'd be dead in 2 nukes and you would have to farm up a lot... after about 5-8k of items i just buy wards or suppor (i might get more support items)... you play vs as a carry....
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:55 pm

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you play vs as a carry....
and there's no shame at that. I play her as a carry in pubs, too, and go for a quick deso.

In clan battles, though, I prefer playing support because we can actually set up good teamplay with vent.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:24 pm

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riv_01d wrote:
you play vs as a carry....
and there's no shame at that. I play her as a carry in pubs, too, and go for a quick deso.

In clan battles, though, I prefer playing support because we can actually set up good teamplay with vent.

lol i just cant play carry with heroes.... sadly enough... i mostly play support. For int i can only play warlock, dazzle, or necrolyte good.. for agi, i can play sylla, veno, viper, dusa and sf. and for str i can use panda, omni, pitlord and abaddon effectively. but my playstyle is almost always support
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:26 pm

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The build I would use is.

Chicken, 3 Bracers, Bottle, Boots, Always 1 tp scroll, wards every 6 mins starting atleast at 8 mins.

There is a fine support build for her early and mid game. Excess gold can be put towards BoTs and Diffusal. You also should buy the sentry wards too for Kitty, tree, etc.

Kitty as in PotM? RAWR!!!!!!

Edit: The real RAWR!!! kitty is
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Thu May 01, 2008 9:58 am

LOL

kitty pwned Razz
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Thu May 01, 2008 10:02 am

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Edit: The real RAWR!!! kitty is
This thread has so outlived it's usefulness.
Let's play some ih games tonight so we have more forum fodder for next week.
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PostSubject: Re: 4/28 - dsf 3v3 ih   Thu May 01, 2008 1:34 pm

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